The Tools Podcasters Use

Sarah Burke (Voiceover)  0:01  
welcome to the podcast Super Friends, five podcast producers from across North America get together to discuss podcasting.

Matt Cundill  0:13  
Podcast Super Friends, we're back again, this is the July edition that we're going to do, as we welcome all the Superfriends in the throes of summer, coming off a Canada Day and then followed by a fourth of July and Independence Day down in states where you get that little you will take the fifth off as well. So that's why things might seem a little slow for the people. We're going to talk to you today as we'll go around. We'll start with Johnny Johnny, introduce yourself how to come in from the state of Texas Fort Worth. Happy to be here. Jack John Gay jag in Detroit podcast, a John Gay also known as Jack, it's my initials. David. David Yazz. Producer and owner pod 617 dot com making podcasts magic in Boston. And Catherine. Yes, we might have exchanged some weather. I was just gonna say I trust that everybody will forgive you here any fan sounds with the AC kicking on? Because if I did not have them, I would die.

Catherine O'Brien  1:10  
Oh,

Jon Gay  1:10  
she's in Baton Rouge, by the way. Yeah,

Catherine O'Brien  1:13  
that's right, Louisiana, we did get a little traces of hurricane barrel, but just just a little how to do with the wind.

Matt Cundill  1:22  
Okay, so one of the things that showed up in podcast news, and we don't mean to be we're not usually this timely, but this one caught our eye. And this is a survey that was done in 2019 actually came back in 2024. It is done by a group called the podcast host. And 2019. They asked people what are you using for equipment, and they had a survey and they figured, oh, five years have gone by and there's been a pandemic in the middle. So let's see what people are using now. And as we went through, we started to take a look at some of the findings. We're going to share some of those that we see here, we've got some slides. But this is the kind of thing that we do we get questions all the time, what should we be using? What can what should we be using? tools, whether it's a microphone, whether it's an interface, and what exactly is USB, and what exactly is XLR? So I thought this would be a good, good way to go through the whole thing and sort of, you know, explore and see what it is that we that we do, and that what people have sort of morphed and changed to. And so I'm gonna start with Should we just get this out of the way early everyone? And that's and that's talking about microphones?

Johnny Podcasts  2:31  
I wanted to start with the respondents since that I've had a quick note on that unless, no, nobody else had a one quick thing that I noticed. Because you know, all of these surveys, they like to show who the demographic was and just overall statistics so that we have a base level of who's responding to this. And I really, one of the numbers that jumped out to me was 39% of the respondents have been podcasting for two years or less meaning this is post COVID. If we consider COVID, 2020 to 2021, maximum, kind of that 12 year span, we saw a huge boom. During that time period. A lot of people were starting podcasts, Spotify was always in the news, Rogen signs, the big deal. It was the talk of the town, podcasting is the new thing. We're all stuck at home, blah, blah, blah. So that led me to one one of two things. One, it's notable that podcasting is still having a really big jump post COVID meaning that it's a medium that's going to stick around for the long term too. Does this mean? Or I guess the the negative side of that number is that there's a much smaller percentage of again, this is just respondents. This is not everyone in podcasting, none of us filled out this survey. So longevity in podcasting, is it very difficult, or are we just seeing a new influx of people joining the space? I think it's a little bit of the two, I think it's really because some of the respondents were people that have been podcasting for five or 10 years or more. That's a long time to be podcasting that can be considered all the way back to the very beginning. I know the longest podcast I've been working on is six years old, which is you know, that's even that is a ton of time to be doing a show if you're doing a weekly episode. That's it's middle aged. Yeah. So I don't know, I just thought that that number was really interesting. Are we just gonna constantly have because pod fading is such a phenomenon? Are we just going to constantly see tons of people always in that new stage of podcasting, because there's such a high churn level, I don't know if that those numbers jumped out to anybody here.

Matt Cundill  4:24  
There were about 500 plus people who did fill out this survey. So that's, that's a pretty good sampling size of what's out there. And I think if we go through and look at some of these numbers as we go through, I'll try to reach for some of the comparisons going back to 2019. But I thought we'd start with microphones. Now that we're here, and so this is the one that might make some heads turn a little bit from from us

Jon Gay  4:50  
because cheese can turn or spin off our shoulders with fire.

Matt Cundill  4:56  
Yeah, so there's the Blue Yeti at number one. Why is it number one? And who wants to feel that one?

Jon Gay  5:03  
Oh my favorites. I once had a mentor and radio His name has been Hamilton 95 Triple X and Burlington, Vermont mass station, Matt knows who said the worst thing for a bad product is good marketing. And that is how you sum up the Blue Yeti. Their SEO is great. If you Google, what podcast mic should I get? You get the Blue Yeti. And for a number of reasons that I'll defer to the group on it is not a good mic to podcast with. But if you're not doing a ton of research, and you just hop on Google real quick, the Google machine will tell you Blue Yeti, we're here to tell you don't use the Blue Yeti.

Johnny Podcasts  5:39  
It's available at Target. It's available at Best Buy. It's 50 bucks. That's why everybody has it.

Catherine O'Brien  5:46  
I think it's a little it's 150 bucks. Yeah, really?

Johnny Podcasts  5:49  
Yeah, this one or is that the Yeti Nano. I know that Yeti X. Honestly, I have a client who sends out the Yeti X to all of their clients or to all of their guests. And that's just because they're it's easy for them to mass. Get a bunch and send it out. I've told them not to. However, it's easy for people to set up who've never done a podcast. If you have it set up correctly, it can give you a decent sound. If you're someone who's just going to be guesting on podcasts occasionally, and someone sends this to you for free. Fine. I won't throw any grief your way. But if you're a serious if you're someone who's seriously considering starting a podcast, you need to look at something like this. The MB seven which had 6% of the population, this is something that you should see as like a Nazi flag. You just run away screaming from it with your hair on fire. Wow.

Jon Gay  6:38  
Know your audience Johnny Poe's law already great. If I may make a counterpoint to that idea, Johnny. Yeah, you know, you say that that that that client sends it out because it's easy to plug in us. The counterpoint to that is, it's very easy to use incorrectly, it's very easy to speak into the top of it instead of the side is just polish with the top into the wrong side of it's very easy to use the wrong setting for you know, it's not the cardioid pattern, that little heart pattern, that's going to only take it from one side, it's going to take on the whole room and bringing all the noise in the room. I'll get off my soapbox now. Well,

Johnny Podcasts  7:14  
and the other thing too, of why this number is so high is look at this. It has a built in desktop stand. If I'm getting this microphone, what am I supposed to hold it? Oh, what's this next I gotta plug this in. That means I gotta get an audio interface. I gotta get this fancy arm that goes into it. Next thing you know, I'm like, Oh, my god, wow, how much am I spending on this? I don't know how to set any of this up. This is so appealing to so many people because it literally is just now I'm podcasting

Matt Cundill  7:41  
that there's another reason why it might be popular. And that's that it purports to be a good mic for more than one person at the same time. It's got a it's got it's got settings on there. That that? I know. And I used to do this in my early days of podcasting. And you know, it just it sounds like echoey a bunch of people in a room sounds like what you might think it might sound like the I think what we would probably agree on this panel is if you have two people in the same room, you need a an interface to plug into mics, because this is there is no does anyone know? Is there a mic on the market that really would be quality enough to have a bunch of people sit around?

Johnny Podcasts  8:26  
I don't know, there's not there's not been I feel like everyone here probably like I know my first podcast, I started with my college roommate, we use this microphone, and we literally just set it in between us. And we just, you know, talk back and forth. And I feel like that's that was, you know, that was like 2018. So a lot of this information. Granted, I probably could have Google Googled a little bit harder. But I feel like this is kind of where everybody starts. But I think now in 2024 There's just too much information out there shows like this people on Twitter, people on YouTube, there's just way too much information out there to be like, how do I get a great sounding podcast, if you do just a little bit more research, you'll find that there is a step beyond the Blue Yeti, you can avoid that kind of beginners hurdle, save yourself 150 bucks and get a really nice sounding microphone

Matt Cundill  9:12  
and make make no mistake it this is important than I don't know if that's why you started here, Matt. But as far as like, if you only have like 100 bucks to launch your podcast, I would say by Mike. I mean, you know you can you can get the where is it the number two on the 2024 bit there the Samsung q2, you can get that for like 65 bucks. So And

Catherine O'Brien  9:35  
Matt, I'm so glad you brought up this slide because I found this to be the absolute most depressing slide of the entire

Matt Cundill  9:42  
slide deck. Nobody nobody learns anything. Can

Catherine O'Brien  9:45  
you? Yes. Can you guess why?

Matt Cundill  9:47  
Are you gonna say open mics?

Catherine O'Brien  9:49  
Yes, thank you very much. Number four of all that we're trying to get people to understand about microphones that that would be the number on

Matt Cundill  9:58  
the climb number four with a bullet built in mic. Well,

Johnny Podcasts  10:00  
you know why though? You know why though, let me just defend it for two seconds. And this is just like me totally playing devil's advocate the new MacBooks and really have stepped up their internal microphone game by the greatest and I produced a number of podcasts in the past year where the guest has been had a microphone plugged in. It didn't sound great. And I say just try the the internal microphone just switch to that on Riverside or whatever platform we're on. And it sounded 10 times better. Wow. Again, this is all from a guesting perspective. You're not someone who has a podcast you're just guessing on one that should be an absolute last resort. But I will say Katherine just just loving counterpoint as you like to say they have improved a lot which would explain the the jump I think in that in that statistic.

Matt Cundill  10:42  
I'm still horrified from 2019 that the Blue Snowball was it number two?

Johnny Podcasts  10:49  
It's again ease of purchase ease of use.

Matt Cundill  10:50  
Yeah, yeah. And also if you I went to Best Buy and I just just for fun said I'd like to buy a podcast microphone. I wanted to see what they would show me. And they showed me the Blue Yeti. Yeah. And and I just I just, yeah.

Why? Because they sell a lot of them. That's why they sell a lot of them and they can, it's easy to sell. Also,

we talked about the ATR 2100 and the Samsung cue to you. They're not They look very boring. They don't look like special microphones even though they're great. They're functional. But I know Jack did want to make a comment about Samsung cue to you.

Jon Gay  11:26  
I do so the Johnny was talking about newer laptops. And the same is true for some Windows laptops, the mics are getting better as well. So the ATR 2100 is made by Audio Technica. That's what the ATR comes from and then the Samsung hue to you are generally what we'd recommend for a starter starter microphone. If you're really on a budget the Blue Yeti I just checked Amazon John it's but it ranges between 80 and 150. These are typically a closer to 60. What I have found in recent times this is our loudness but we're gonna make a note of this. The new ATR 20 100 called the ATR 20 100x comes with a connection for XLR of course a little three pin. It also comes with both USB A that old school rectangle and USB C that new smaller connection. I have found that some clients if they get the typical Samsung Q two u or the older ATR 2100 which only comes with the old school USB a cord it they may not have a port for that on your laptop, there may not have been old school USB pot so you need an adapter. So I tell clients not knowing what mic what what laptop they have or they may not know what connection they haven't laptop, if they're not super tech savvy, get the ATR 20 100x It's the same price as the Samsung Q to you. It comes with both cords so you don't have to worry about finding an adapter or finding the right port in your computer. It's good to go out of the box ATR 2200 Is my if you're on a budget, get that mic for starters.

Matt Cundill  12:55  
And I guess if for people who are watching this right now and don't know what USB and XLR and the combo is this is sort of a good graphic but it also gives you a good idea of what people are using USB mics, very popular 36% XLR 32.5 But, you know, a lot of people doing the combo thing and when we look at the top microphones on the list earlier, there was the Sheer Envy seven, there was the ATR 2100 There was a Samsung cue to you in there. These are all very popular microphones. Those are all combo mics, just like you were talking about Jack, you

Jon Gay  13:26  
have the option to use either color depending if you're going directly to your computer or into some sort of recorder interface.

Johnny Podcasts  13:32  
And PSA to the brand newbies. You're going to find something really cool. You found this great life hack. It's amazing. It's on Amazon. It's called an XLR to USB cable. It's incredible. It doesn't work. save money, save your money. Don't do it.

Matt Cundill  13:54  
Last one here on the microphones. There's the big breakdown of the microphones as they as they roll out does anything catch anyone's eye?

Jon Gay  14:01  
That high one's really expensive at toward the end, isn't it? Matt? That's a really high end microphone, isn't it?

Matt Cundill  14:07  
Oh, Heil. Heil PR 40 clocks in at 1%. Anyone want to find the price on that one on it? This

Johnny Podcasts  14:16  
probably wasn't the number or the point that you're looking for Matt but the one that jumped out to me was the ENV seven the microphone that I'm using right now for all our viewers. This was released in 2020. And for it to capture 6% market share in just four years is incredible. It means people are getting smarter. People are doing more research. Technology is getting better. Podcasting is becoming easier. And I for one I'm a big fan of the MB seven it's what I recommend to everybody. That is would be your number one go to because it has both the XLR and the USB put into it. It looks cool. It sounds great. You will cannot go wrong with that microphone.

Matt Cundill  14:53  
Did you know there's an MV seven plus

Johnny Podcasts  14:56  
what is the plus indicate?

Matt Cundill  14:58  
cost more money encryption

Jon Gay  15:02  
new and improved.

Matt Cundill  15:03  
I mean, to your point, it's, you know, we're talking about a microphone here that came out in 2020. This is the newer version. I read this, I haven't Googled, I haven't seen this microphone. I might have read that actually, inside this study that the MV seven there's an MD Seven Plus, there

Jon Gay  15:17  
is that was in the study about the high LPR by the way between three and $500. That MV seven is intermediate. Depending on the bells and whistles, probably two to 50. Johnny, I think on the V seven,

Johnny Podcasts  15:27  
the MB seven is 250. And the MT seven plus is 279. So just a tick more, as it says refurbish refreshed with a customizable LED touch panel meaning like the normal one you can like use your finger slider to drag the amount of gain coming in from the microphone, or the headphone volume. And even better audio. What does that mean? Who knows you can't go wrong with this one I'm talking through the normal one you won't go wrong with it.

Jon Gay  15:57  
I will say John and you sound great on that microphone because you also have great mic technique. But the MV seven I will say if you're going to get it by the assure wind screen a big chunky one like like this one here. That is not the one that it comes with. Because I have found a lot of clients are very plosive into their microphones Sorry everybody, I suck at it with with the standard windscreen so a better windscreen will cut down on your amount of breaths and popped peace.

Johnny Podcasts  16:26  
Also another thing to get is get a better get like a really highly rated, I think they're called gold plated USB C cable if you're going to use the USB C version, the standard one that it comes with ensure I have had some clients with issues on it where that kind of distorts their voice. And I think it's because they're using a kind of cost effective USB C cable which means it's a lower quality. So if you are going to use your some lag, it kind of gives this like Tin Man robot voice occasionally I've seen so I would go the XLR route. You know, I mean, you're if you're really committed to doing this podcasting thing, which we'll get into in the next thing that with the interfaces, you're you're you want to do XLR.

Matt Cundill  17:12  
Catherine, do you have anything left to say about microphones? And is the ATR 2100 Still your recommendation?

Catherine O'Brien  17:18  
I do like the ATR 2100? I do. I think it's a good solid one. I use it for traveling mics. And it's been it's been a little workhorse. So I do recommend it.

Matt Cundill  17:29  
The bigger question is, do you if we're talking to new podcasters out there? Is it? Is it worth going with the shore? Or what is it and don't have that one and such

budget? Because the shore MV seven? Yeah, that's

that's 250 bucks versus 65 bucks for a Samsung, Samsung. And the only thing I'd say in in defense, um, we all have great mics. This is what we do for a living we produce podcasts. So obviously, we're going to go you know, we have we have we have

heard some shows, by the way where we didn't make it. What do you mean, I've heard some shows where my microphone was too loud or too soft or something? Okay, well, just in case I've had accidents,

we ain't perfect. Of course, of course. A really good point, I haven't Yeah, I would just say if the drop off from the drop off is not exactly commensurate. And the price, I don't think this isn't three times better microphone than the Samsung Q to you. You will, in most cases, if you're using the mic properly. And by the way, you do have to play with it. And like I recommend that Samsung and some of my clients who use it though they forget. And they stray away from the mic, and you got to kind of gotta stay on top of it. And by the way, that with all these mics do they all have a port to plug in a headphone so you can hear your voice back, because I always recommend if you can, if you can do that, do it. Because if you don't, you don't have a good awareness of your level.

Johnny Podcasts  18:58  
The handheld ones do but I don't love the controllability like sometimes you plug it in and that dial on it is just so little and so fragile. It can break so easily. And you just you plug it in and you hear yourself and it's just blasting through your headphones. And then the other person that you're talking to it's so quiet. It's you know, as long as you have the proper mic technique, meaning just have it right in front of your face. Don't Don't be over here. Right. Be right on it. Quiet I

Catherine O'Brien  19:25  
can I just want to finish one thing before we move on. One thing I was recently on, I was a guest on a podcast in person and the person had the Rode Podcaster and I have to say I was really impressed with those microphones. Some people who are really rode heads are all about rode, and that's actually a podcast mic that I'm going to start looking at it. It's they priced it exactly $200. It's made, you know rode has a great reputation and they specifically made it for podcasters. And like I said I was impressed. So that's I think is going to be a great option. It's right at $100

Matt Cundill  19:57  
and number five by the way on the list. So a lot of People have grabbed on to it. They're also beginning to sell a microphone in different colors, which is quite appealing. I am using a Rode for those of you who, but this is a condenser microphone. It's an NTG. Three,

that's I have an NT something also here

Catherine O'Brien  20:14  
a professional though, Matt. So

Matt Cundill  20:15  
I'm in a treated room, all the stuff by the way, whether you work in treated room or non treated room, all this stuff is in the study, we probably won't get to it today because they went really deep with the survey, but David did say interface. And so before we start, I think I've asked Jack this before and he gave a great what Jack? Why do we need an interface,

Jon Gay  20:34  
I'm gonna just piggyback off what Johnny said, which is, it's a more reliable connection to have that little three pin XLR connection, and then into your, into your computer by USB. Essentially, it's a it's a cable TV converter. For those of you who were alive in the 80s. It's, it gives you a little bit more control a little bit more reliability than just relying on USB and a better sound that maybe you know, one or 2% of the population will really pick up on but but it is it is better. And it's just a more professional setup. I

Matt Cundill  21:04  
needed to get a converter B so that I could get channel 22 W, V and y from Burlington, up in Montreal. I think that's why I needed to get a converter. Burlington, Vermont. Yep. But what about the why can't I just plug into USB into a laptop and call it a day?

That's exactly what I was going to ask Matt? And the answer, I think is because guess what, it doesn't work, there is a method to try it. But it's like you're it's like you're shoving a, you know, a round peg into a square hole, it just, it's not going to work and you're not gonna be able to control the levels very well. So that's why that's the main reason why you need something on the screen here. If you want to do a podcast with two people in the same room, if you're all if your guests are all remote you might not you don't even need this technically, but there

Jon Gay  21:50  
are there are ways that of people have tried to work around this there are programs that will let you take audio off multiple USB ports, they're not reliable roads. Speaking of road Catherine, they actually have a software to have a software for it, which I have one client who purchased and has very limited results with sometimes one of the mics will cut out. I don't know if that's typical of that road experience. But I think you're much better off to have the mics into an interface if you have more than one person in the room especially.

Matt Cundill  22:20  
So up on the screen are three audio interfaces right now we got the Focusrite Scarlett two eye two at 14% which is the most popular 12% is zoom pod track p four. And just below it the road caster pro the original one at 11.5%. Catherine

Catherine O'Brien  22:38  
I was just gonna say that I'm using the Focusrite Scarlett right now that's what I'm using as my little interface and it's part of it is just control. A lot of the podcasts Superfriends I actually I'll confess I tried to just do the the the USB right into my laptop to be on these live streams. And it really you do not have the same kind of control. I would not hope hopefully I sound great right now. Julie mood

Unknown Speaker  23:05  
infinitely better. Oh,

Catherine O'Brien  23:06  
thanks. Yeah, it is it is a matter of control and being able to be you just don't have the same kind of control with the laptop function. It's just it just is not there. So that's the public right? I like to focus, right? Yeah.

Matt Cundill  23:20  
Oh, you want this back now?

Johnny Podcasts  23:21  
Yes, please. So Catherine uses the focus, right. I use the focus right. Right now I know Jack is using the focus, right right now I know David's using the road caster right now. I know I don't I think Matt's probably using some kind of 1980s radio technology.

Catherine O'Brien  23:36  
Ham radio is Canadian.

Johnny Podcasts  23:37  
It's Canadian. But what really surprises me is the fact that the Scarlet is more you know is is more widely used than the pod track and the road caster what people may not know is that the pod track and the road caster while being very effective as audio interfaces, they're also built in recorders. So yeah, if you are somebody who's like I might do a combo of I'm just going to record a solo podcast I might do a remote guest and hey, maybe I might do some in person stuff. The pod track before which I have used the road caster Pro which I have used. They both can record the audio into the device itself. So if you're going to be doing in person stuff, that's all you need to bring with you with a couple of microphones and boom you've got a really high quality audio podcast. I would highly recommend both those although I have not used the p four as an audio interface. I have used the road caster as an audio interface. The Scarlet is great as just an audio interface because that's all it is. The other two options if you are looking to get the most bang for your buck, look at one of those other two devices. Not totally certain of the price difference is probably a little bit higher for the second too. But you are getting way more bang for your buck with the P for the road caster.

Jon Gay  24:49  
I will second that Johnny the road. The p four I have a client who is in her 70s here in Detroit, and she by her own admission is not super tech savvy. She's got two mics, set up with two microphones and a p four, she recorded the podcast in person with guests in her basement. They come, she records it right onto the SD card and the p four, loads it into the computer and sends it to me and I edited her podcast. So you're making an excellent point about in person, the p four is obviously much more portable than a road caster. And I want to say that P for around 100 150 bucks, great choice if you're going to be doing a lot of in person recording. Where

Matt Cundill  25:24  
did you say the price is just because I was just gonna make sure we mentioned that. The

Jon Gay  25:28  
P for I want to say is around 151 5150.

Matt Cundill  25:32  
Broadcaster

Johnny Podcasts  25:34  
as you get to the newer models way more expensive, you're looking at 500 700 bucks, you could probably get a refurbished original rode caster for much less. But if you had you know gone ahead probably go with the pod track before or zoom h6, I find the zoom h6 is a timeless classic

Catherine O'Brien  25:53  
workhorse. And to bring things back a little bit to our earlier conversation. This is another reason why people default to a just a simple USB mic that goes in is because now if you're if you're talking about higher quality mic, and an interface now we're looking at more like $300 250 to $300 just to get started. And I know that that can be a barrier for some people to get get their podcast off the ground.

Matt Cundill  26:18  
It's this is the probably the second most critical thing, we're kind of going in order microphones important. But even if you say your cell phone, I'm gonna record on my computer, I don't need some other outside device to record on it. If you're serious about your podcast, it's nice to have a backup. It's Yes, I mean for a while for a while I was recording, actually I do it a variety different ways. But with the road caster Pro, which again is the higher end thing. I'll always it's almost foolproof because there's this big glowing button that says record. And so you hit that and it goes it's Fisher Fisher Price. And the other two devices are probably pretty easy to use too. But it's always gives you a nice peace of mind that it's being recorded on that device, your headphones are plugged into that device. So you are hearing exactly the levels and everything of what's what that's is digitally picking up. And then if you want to record using a different app on your laptop, then now you got a backup. So that's what I recommend. Wait

Catherine O'Brien  27:15  
a minute, David, are you trying to deny new podcasters the horror story of having some important interview that gets destroyed because they were only doing it with software? I think that's you're robbing people the experience that we all get to have.

Matt Cundill  27:29  
I had a good one recently where I did a video podcast and did it via zoom and went to your beloved zoom went to hit stop for it wasn't was the Zoom fault. I went to hit stop record at the end of the show. And I noticed there wasn't anything recording. I just simply forgot the hit record. Oh, boy,

Johnny Podcasts  27:46  
I have some examples here. So this is for those of you that don't know what a zoom h6 is. This is what this looks like. This is kind of the OG is a timeless classic workhorse you can fit four microphones into there, it'll record on separate tracks right on this screen, you can record you can adjust each of the four individual levels here, press that big record button to start it big record button to stop it easy as pie, pod track p four, kind of an updated version of the h six again, you have four inputs here. But what's great about this one is it has four individual headset inputs. So everybody can have their own set of headphones. If I have someone who's really hard to hearing, I can crank that one up. If I have some super sensitive hearing, I can crank that one down. Again, red record button starts at red record button stops it very easy to use. very portable, can literally keep it in my body. How do you

Matt Cundill  28:41  
how do you pull the files off of that HD

Johnny Podcasts  28:43  
SD card comes right out of the side, clicks out SD card reader right into the computer, put that on Dropbox, send it to your editor, take the wav files off, put it into your, into your software, your DAW, very, very simple and straightforward. A lot of the things like Jack said he has a 72 She's 72 or 78

Jon Gay  29:05  
essentially the same age as my mom, which makes her 70. She's

Johnny Podcasts  29:07  
70 years old, if a 70 year old woman can figure out how to use this by herself. I promise you this stuff. It looks really complicated at first and I tell this to all my clients. It's really scary at first, but once you do it twice, it's the easiest thing in the world. And also like Katherine said, once you go through the time that you forgot to hit record, you'll never forget it again.

Matt Cundill  29:25  
I was just gonna say I mentioned the the data cart or you mentioned data card. Thank you, Johnny. One word to the wise just be wary of how much memory is left on your card because there's nothing worse. There's nothing worse than looking at the time ticking down and rooting for your host so wrap the show up early because you're about to run out of memory on your SD card. I have

Johnny Podcasts  29:44  
a lot of them on hand I have I have literally four sitting in front of me. And then if we want to get deep sorry Matt, I'm just okay, I'm slowly hogging this conversation right now. On these SD cards. You're gonna wonder what SD card do I want to use for these? I don't know if you can see it. This is a sand SC SanDisk is great. But if you look right here, on the furthest left side of this, you'll see a 10 with a circle on it.

Matt Cundill  30:10  
What does that mean? If it has,

Johnny Podcasts  30:13  
I consider myself very technically proficient, all I know is that if it doesn't have that 10 with a circle on it, it's not gonna work. So the 10 with the circle on it on the SD card, get a 256 gigabyte one, you'll have literally 80 hours of recordable audio, you'll never worry about going over you'll never worry about having to free up space. Just buy one set it forget it and you're done.

Matt Cundill  30:33  
And a warning because I've got an h five somebody put an SD card that was too big into the h five and it did not work. Yeah. So make sure that you're using the right one. The right one. That's

Jon Gay  30:44  
the SD and micro SD and then exactly the specs. Yep. Yeah.

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Matt Cundill  31:11  
Okay, so we could move in two directions here, because we've mentioned them both in the last one but what happens with the SD card? And where do we send it to? We're going to send it to I probably two recording software, and more to one of us. Yes, exactly. That too. So this is the top podcast recording software. And so you know, we've already had done shows in the past where some of this stuff does two in three different things. So you know if it's a live stream at Delta does that so yeah, you can see but this is these are just the responses. So what is your podcast recording software? There's audacity at number one. And I think we all know why that's an old we got a shit Johnny is shaking his head.

Johnny Podcasts  31:53  
Well, we know why it's number one keep going. It's free.

Matt Cundill  31:56  
Do we want to talk no, we don't want to talk about that. Number two is Adobe edition. Anyone here use that? Jack does Jack how much does that cost a month?

Jon Gay  32:07  
Right I have I don't think it's 25 but I have the entire suite. And the entire Adobe suite is up to about 650 a year which is pretty pricey but again to the point that we do this full time so it's worth the investment for me

Johnny Podcasts  32:23  
let Catherine talk about audacity she uses that

Catherine O'Brien  32:26  
well I yes I do use that but and I have good things to say there are some things that audacity does that is that are great compared to other editing software's I personally have moved a lot to descript so descript is my number one and I do use Audacity for some things still that I just that I like on a on a density there are some plugins available the thing the thing about audacity that I think is really great is there's a very active community for Audacity so there's a lot of people who are passionate about it as a as a program. We're making plugins for it. Like you said, it is free. And like I said, there are some things that I think it does better noise reduction is actually it's no studio sound. But if you're having a very simple edit the audacity noise reduction can be a real godsend for background noise are those kinds of things. So there's plenty of things that happen but the key is there's a great community that are using Audacity and are passionate about it.

Johnny Podcasts  33:28  
Okay, Katherine, you're the best because that literally was exactly in my notes. How is this the most used editing software? You answer that question? Thank you because I have an image here. Jag if you can, let me share my screen really

Jon Gay  33:41  
quick. Um, that's hosting so I'm gonna give Johnny permission here

Matt Cundill  33:49  
by the Catherine Did you say you use the script for recording?

Catherine O'Brien  33:53  
No, I use I use it for editing. Now I do the heavy the heaviest part of my editing is with the script now. Okay,

Johnny Podcasts  34:00  
look at this. This is this makes me want to vomit.

Matt Cundill  34:07  
This, this is really user friendly.

Johnny Podcasts  34:09  
The the like this was invented before I was born. How in the world has this not been updated to be a modern user interface? If you want to use Audacity, fine. But I wrote down in my notes Catherine, it was amazing that you said this descript is the next obvious step because it gives you studio sound. It makes the editing process so much easier. You can take it anywhere you want to go. It is just if you want to be a competent editor for your podcast, if you're just going to be hosting your podcast and editing it very basically just script is your best option. Please consider using that before you check out Audacity. Like I just look at that image and I'm like, it's just there's so much going on there that you don't need.

Matt Cundill  34:55  
And this is just for recording and we I mean, no

Johnny Podcasts  34:59  
it's for edit Okay, recording Sure.

Matt Cundill  35:01  
Yeah, because just to be clear, we all I think all of us loved the script to some degree on this call and I use it for everything except recording I used to use use it for recording. But I start I don't know if they fix this or if the bug was on my end. But if my if the podcast ran long, like 45 minutes it would just stop recording this though without like, thanks a lot. descript so I don't know if that's something that they've cleaned up because they've cleaned up everything else pretty well. But anyway, but like the recording software as long as you get the thing it's yeah, like you said, you don't need any of the bells and whistles of a lot of these tools. I mean, as a backup I use QuickTime I use you know, quick

Johnny Podcasts  35:44  
I was gonna say have you gotta have a backup because it doesn't matter whether it's the script or it's your you forget to literally hit the record button on your ps4. You got to have some kind of backup going and just just really your only Savior because you cannot you cannot cover all of your bases 100% For something like the script, just stopping the recording that could just happen.

Jon Gay  36:05  
Just to clarify that I believe in the survey that differentiate between recording and editing software does that Right? Which which are we talking about here and

Matt Cundill  36:13  
this was recording but here's the editor. Okay,

Jon Gay  36:15  
just real quick, real quick on Audacity. Steve Stewart, who runs the podcast editors club on Facebook, I have to give him a shout out who who is an audacity user Katherine Yes, he runs a Facebook group of 7000 podcast editors at last I believe it can be more right now. And his say favorite saying is the best dollar Digital Audio Workstation is the one you're comfortable with. I personally don't like Audacity but that's because in my radio days I grew up on what was originally cool Edit Pro and then became Adobe Audition and I've been using it for 20 years I know how it works right and so audacity the things are in different places and it's Who Moved My Cheese and it's the whole thing but for me whatever you're comfortable with whatever you can make sing use it and Audacity I may be mistaken but I believe audacity is because with it being free, it's open source software to Catherine's point where folks are coming up with plugins and different things to make it do and it's it's really a really strong community. So if you're on a budget you don't want to pay 25 bucks a month for for Adobe or 30 bucks a month for descript or you're spending your money elsewhere you can give audacity a try if you're new to recording and editing and see if it works for you I'm not I'm not as opposed to audacity as I am the Blue Yeti.

Catherine O'Brien  37:29  
And I realized I did jump to I jumped to the editing part of audacity and not the recording but it's the same story it does fine it can do the job. So there you go, Johnny and you know what Johnny and you can make the interface look would you like it to look more space age thank God settings, you can make it more with more spacing. Trying

Matt Cundill  37:47  
to get to work,

Johnny Podcasts  37:48  
that's what I'm in the 2.8% over there. I'm with the smart people I use logic I don't pay a monthly premium. And if you pay one time for it, and it gives you a you can use basically any third party plug in on the internet and it's great.

Matt Cundill  38:01  
I used to use GarageBand which still comes in at a respectable fourth on this list. Because it was free and because I was used to it and the devil you know, right? But I won't I won't wax poetic too much more about the script because I feel like we do it on every episode. But the gist script can it has is first of all, it's constantly being updated. They seem to really know what they're doing. They seem to listen to what people want make it easy to find everything. And it does it does it's easy to edit because it's a combination transcription editing thing so you're cut and pasting words and then there are other the some of the AI tools we've just been discovering are great they're timesavers so that's why this script is a completely different animal than like a GarageBand or an audacity minutes so

I have no experience with GarageBand somebody told me why I should not use it or convince somebody not to use it native

Jon Gay  38:52  
to Mac if you're on Windows, you're out of luck.

Johnny Podcasts  38:55  
Can't use third party plugins with it. You only get the base ones you can which is just kind of EQ and a bunch of stuff that you don't understand unless you Google it Yeah,

Matt Cundill  39:05  
exactly. It's not it's not intuitive at all I don't think

Johnny Podcasts  39:10  
yeah, it's it's not very user friendly. But then you pay that logic costs logic is a one time payment of $200 and then you have it for the rest of your life. And it is much I mean again it's like everybody said on this panel you use what you grew up on like if you if you started on Xbox, he played Xbox your whole life started with PlayStation he played PlayStation your whole life what really shocked me on this for the editing was that Pro Tools is dead last. I mean Pro Tools like I heard about that when I was like seven years old. That is like the OG music production studio. And for that to come so far dead last is just mind you just

Jon Gay  39:47  
you just said it, Johnny. It's a music production studio. If you're recording a band with guitars and drums that thing is unbelievable. But for most of us we're we're just recording and editing voices and maybe adding music after the fact act. It's, you know, it's taking a, what's the phrase? It's like it's taking?

Johnny Podcasts  40:05  
Yeah, you're bringing a Ferrari to the grocery store.

Matt Cundill  40:08  
So who would be using Pro Tools says 1%, some of the top 1% podcasts that do need high end production, stuff that comes out of wondery. I know that some of the people who produced their wondery Would would use something like Pro Tools. Is there anything else on this list that anybody can comment on? Yes,

Johnny Podcasts  40:27  
Riverside. And I know that descript has now acquired squad cast. So Jack can speak a little bit more to that. But that just kind of gives rise to the concept of the all in one tool, you can record, you can edit, you can produce, you can upload, you can publish, and Zen caster is trying to do all that. That is sort of seems, you know, given on, you know, given this day, that seems to be where the wind is blowing, can I do everything here? Why do I need to have logic and Riverside and descript? Why can't I just all do it in one kind of? Well,

Matt Cundill  41:05  
because I wouldn't have to learn something new. And we don't have time for that. And the other reason is, there's also a bit of divide a bit of a divide here that you don't see on this chart. And that's, you know, are you going to edit waveforms and sound are you just going to edit words. So there's a bit of a divide here, when we say editing, some people are just removing the words and letting the audio disappear. And there's others who will like me, for instance, I'm in the other category, I use something called twisted wave. And I've used it again for about 10 years now. And I like it. So that's what I used at it.

Johnny Podcasts  41:40  
Well think about to like only krypter, or Riverside, you know, just very basic podcasting one on one, we probably want to have some intro music with some audio layered over it. Okay, how do I upload my audio file to it, and then I will, I can't have the audio, I can't have the music file be at zero decibels. I need to drag that down to maybe like minus 20, so that people can actually hear what I'm saying, over the music? Can I do all that in Riverside? I don't think so. I can't do it and descript. So that is a whole, you know, that's a whole can of worms that you have to open, which makes things like Audacity and logic and audition a lot more user friendly for getting really surgical with a really highly produced podcast.

Catherine O'Brien  42:25  
Well, and just to pull back the curtain on our podcast producers, group discussions. I know at one point, Matt, I think it was you who said, you know, hey, if there's somebody new getting new to podcasting, and new to editing, what would you tell them and everybody shared their favorite editing software, and I said, you know, hot take descript I think in five years, there's not going to be the the, the some of these, some of these services are going to become so good with their AI tools with their with the just the sheer volume of how people edit their podcast, it's going to be much, much easier to do, you don't have to learn all the craft, you know, waveform editing that we all had to come up with, it's going to be a lot easier to do something like descriptive script is going to be better and better and better. So maybe not necessarily spending all your time learning a skill that might not be needed five years from

Matt Cundill  43:21  
now, wouldn't you think that if people started to pile on to the descript side of things that that audacity would be the one to suffer with? Audacity is still way out in front.

Jon Gay  43:35  
Is it acid? He's free? You're paying for descriptive?

Matt Cundill  43:40  
Yes, well, I've even started drinking yet. And

Johnny Podcasts  43:42  
I want to Catherine's point though, like we're talking about two I think we're all kind of without saying it. We're talking about two separate groups of people here. One one hand, we're talking about the person who I want to start a podcast, I can't afford an editor. I'm just going to do it myself. What's the easiest way that I can do that to make it sound good? On the other hand, there's the five of us who are coming at it from we literally make podcasts sound good for a living. Right so we're much more inclined to go very in depth on like, oh, well how does Pro Tools work versus audacity versus logic versus GarageBand so there's use

Catherine O'Brien  44:19  
my exacto blade on a word and descript but I can and Audacity Yeah,

Johnny Podcasts  44:23  
so the the advice and the sort of the everything that we're saying take it with a grain of salt in the terms of like, how are you approaching this? What is your individual experience going to be as someone who has a podcast?

Matt Cundill  44:37  
We are live right now. And we are using stream yard. And what does that mean? Not much. However. It is listed as the most popular when it comes to live streaming at 17.5%. Riverside comes in second zoom comes in third and restream.io comes in at little bit less than 4.8%. So he's stream yard the best.

Johnny Podcasts  45:05  
I think I can say was live stream enough to know? Yeah, probably,

Matt Cundill  45:09  
I probably am in that category. So I probably shouldn't say anything. But I have tried with the zoom and tried the Zoom interface with, you know, Facebook and maybe LinkedIn live as well and had mixed results, the feed cut out a couple of times. So I don't I can't recommend zoom for live streaming really, it's

Johnny Podcasts  45:32  
probably the best because it can go to so many different places easily. Like, like, I've looked at YouTube. And I'm immediately shocked that that's not way higher than 2.1%. But at the same time I, if I am confident in saying that I think YouTube Live kind of just is consolidated. So you have to be on YouTube in order to watch this versus someone could be watching us on Facebook right now on Twitter, whatever.

Matt Cundill  45:55  
But you can only do it on YouTube. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah.

Johnny Podcasts  45:59  
Like if someone wanted to watch this, and we're streaming on YouTube, the only way they'd be able to do it is through YouTube versus right now like this, this show is streaming to my YouTube channel right now, as well as Twitter, as well as all the other platforms that you've so graciously hooked us up to

Matt Cundill  46:13  
connected. Yes. So disclosure piece, Riverside reached out after our last episode and asked if we would try their product to stream it live. And I would have set it up for today. However, you know, with all of our channels and everything, it would have taken me a little bit of time. So I didn't quite get to it. But I be it resolved.

Catherine O'Brien  46:31  
We're on a summer schedule. So we can look at this maybe next year.

Matt Cundill  46:35  
Yeah. Riverside, if

Johnny Podcasts  46:37  
you're listening, though, we love you, we would have we were very happy to do this. Please continue to watch our show. I recommend you to all of my clients. You guys are fantastic. Thank you.

Catherine O'Brien  46:49  
Anyone else have any podcasts?

Matt Cundill  46:50  
Does anyone by the way? Have any clients who are live streaming?

Unknown Speaker  46:53  
No.

Matt Cundill  46:54  
Yeah, I do. They use they use stream yard? And for the most part, it gets the job done. You know, there's always well, the most important thing is that is it actually streaming on all the platforms that you pick, they haven't had any problems with that. occasionally they'll have problems with there's a limited number of streaming places you can send the show. And it's seems to fill up quickly for some reason. It's like oh, you can't add another one, you've got to delete one if you want to stream on these three or whatever. But that's, that's a nitpick.

Yeah. And so a couple things with stream yard, you can go to eight, if you have the pricey platform, okay, there you go, you can have three if you've got the tier below and I think you can hit three very quickly, we topped out by the way. So what we do is, I will rerun the show, and another time so to make that it hits the rest of the platforms that we didn't get to. And I don't this is this is something that does, it can wait till after the show, but I'm such a I'm not that type of person Jag, we need to fix your, your Facebook, and I think we align it in some capacity. So

Jon Gay  48:02  
the other thing too is if we if we each are logged into stream yard, I've got the free version here, you're streaming it to my Facebook, but I added my my x and my LinkedIn today. So right, so it's streaming, and all three of those are just my platforms, or mine, either four of yours.

Matt Cundill  48:16  
Yeah, and I noticed that you guys have been doing that over the last couple of sessions that you've been able to sort of tag on. And you have permission to add it to a few other additional streams just beyond the eight that that it offers here, stream yard took down their pricing model on their website. So that has led to some conspiracy theories in the world of

Jon Gay  48:35  
at that age old debate of do you put your prices on your website? I hear both sides of that so often.

Unknown Speaker  48:40  
Yeah.

Matt Cundill  48:41  
I don't think there was much more that we wanted to talk about with equipment, but But Johnny did mention this off the top and that's, you know, who are the podcasters who are out there, like how long have you? Have you been podcasting? And what were the results that came up with that? Can anything stand up for anybody here between three and five years 23% However 22% said I haven't even launched yet. Do you get the feeling that there's some people out there who are just sitting at home with all the equipment and they've had it for five years and they're

Unknown Speaker  49:11  
just absolutely round to it?

Jon Gay  49:13  
We're we're about to do we always say this The hardest part about doing a podcast is a FDI actually doing it it's it's a start it's starting it is actually starting it so it's easy to get excited and know you buy your your equipment and you get get your subscriptions and your software but I'm just not sure to go like folks if you're thinking if you're in that position, just do it. It's you know, your first episode is not gonna be perfect. Episode two will be better episode three be better than that. And so on and so forth. The hardest thing is just, you know, getting in the game. So if you have the equipment, just jump in and do it.

Matt Cundill  49:49  
The question for me is, what will this chart look like five years from now because some of this is simply the age of podcasts like they're by definition It can't be too many people who have been doing it for over 10 years because podcasts have really not been around, but like, like, sort of in the corner and now anyway, but I think it's been

Johnny Podcasts  50:09  
around since 2004. If you ask the people who

Matt Cundill  50:12  
today's the 21st anniversary,

Unknown Speaker  50:14  
I was first.

Johnny Podcasts  50:16  
I've been doing this since 2004. Sorry, I was in third

Matt Cundill  50:19  
grade. Okay. It never really, when it caught on with widespread appeal, I'm saying but anyway, but my point is, I still think that because of that, we've all seen it pod fading is real. And because of that, there will always be new blood coming in coming onto this chart, I guess. So.

Yeah, I mean, if we add up, I've not launched yet less than a year and between one and two years. That's, like more than half it's close to 60 some odd percent 61. My math is right. There. We're at six one. Yeah. That's a lot of people. So that's a lot.

So it's a lot of people abandoning their podcast, I think, yeah,

that was gonna be my question, why so much churn?

Catherine O'Brien  51:04  
It's hard. And I, it is hard. That's

Johnny Podcasts  51:08  
actually a really good point. You have to set your expectations. What do you what are you going to get out of this? Are you doing this purely for fun, if you're someone who's has zero expectations going into this, you're going to hit that 10 year mark? If you're going into it saying like, Okay, I'm doing this because I'm hoping to get one client for my business. Great, you'll probably hit that 10 year mark, because you'll probably get that client and you'll see the actual ROI for your time. If you're going into it with these wild expectations of like, I'm going to be the next big thing, which I think ironic money or gate. I'm gonna make money out of the gate. Yeah, I, you're you're the pod fade crowd. It just it happened as it happens.

Matt Cundill  51:44  
They those people quit, quit the quickest, I would say, but yeah, totally great. And it's just not the type of thing that you say, You know what, we're gonna try this for a few months and see how it goes. Don't do that. Because after three months, you're not going to know enough.

Johnny Podcasts  52:00  
Yeah, there's a happy medium though, there is a happy medium. Of that we're gonna do six episodes. Oh, that's definitely gonna be they're gonna be self contained. And if we stopped doing the podcast, people can still go back and listen to that five years from now. And we've done a podcast. So like, that's, that's what I always encourage people to do. And like just set like, set a goal to be like, I'm gonna do five episodes. Of the five best people that I can interview give it you know, assuming this is an interview based podcast, and then see how you feel after that. What's the reception? Do you like doing it? I think there's a combination of all these things of that. But yeah, you are correct, though, David. Yeah, it's just

Matt Cundill  52:37  
I would just caution against expecting to see satisfying results after three months that will spur you to go further because you'll probably be disappointed. Most people most people are. You start at zero listeners. And there are 2 million podcasts out there. So But you're right, there's nothing wrong with it. And I recommend that people who are having trouble getting started it's like well just do four episodes. Pick four topics, Mr. Accountant or lawyer that you're passionate about and talk about whatever. But so perfectly good plan. Just

want to go around and ask people what is the oldest podcast that you work with in your collection? Just how many years is that? Start, Katherine.

Catherine O'Brien  53:15  
I'm gonna smidgen that's probably the longest running. Yeah, since several wonders. We're going into season eight maximum number of years. Yeah.

Matt Cundill  53:27  
Yeah, that's that's about what I've seen in 2016 2017. When that came out, jag

Jon Gay  53:33  
sound bites and nutrition podcast hosted by Melissa Joy Dobbins I believe she is at eight years now and I've been working with her for they believe six of them she started before me,

Matt Cundill  53:42  
David

Well, we just put out the final episode sadly, but I'll give it it's do the Canon Mom show and my good friend and talent Joyce Gerber. Yes, she's done it for Well, five and a half years with me. I don't know how many years she did it before she came to me. But I'm calling it quits. Because you know, she had a real good run and she's tired. And which is to me perfectly. five short years is a great run.

Unknown Speaker  54:07  
dry run.

Matt Cundill  54:08  
That's a great Johnny

Johnny Podcasts  54:14  
the fort has been going since 2018. I was on it since day one and we released episode 359 Today Wow. What the

Matt Cundill  54:28  
night I hit the wrong button. That was the button I was trying to hit

Johnny Podcasts  54:32  
the episodes demonetized and it wasn't because of

Matt Cundill  54:38  
the buttons on the road caster pro everybody.

So for me, it's writing class radio, which started in 2015. And I think the first mission was to rescue it from SoundCloud where it sort of resided I think in 2017. We got it off there. I guess that would be it. Does anybody have any thing that else that they want to cover from this.

Catherine O'Brien  55:02  
I actually do I want to just talk about the the lifecycle of podcasting. Back to that just the the, it kind of ties into what Johnny was saying right at the at the start there, there is something about podcasting that leans towards the person starting, whether that's the information to get started, how the equipment to get started, all of those things, a lot of the information around podcasting leads to the beginner. And we know that we can, we can see that even with the things that we were talking about today. One of the stats that I was like to focus on with people about pod fading is and I don't even know if this is true anymore, is that it seems to be like seven episodes would be where people who are trying to do like, I'm going to do it every week, it's going to be a weekly show seven episodes. And then that would be the end of it. That would be they would go into the podcasting graveyard, then around the time of let's say, 2020, I noticed that it seemed to be like a three year mark, where a lot of people they started three years was as long as they can put into it, which I thought was very interesting, because to steal your your quote from Dave Jackson. Three years is about the amount of time it takes to really build an audience for a podcast. So it's kind of hard to see people who have worked so hard to get their show going to it takes a lot to sustain three years of podcasting and then to to end it just when you should be having the audience that you've been able to build. So I you know, me I loved a little sort of like a full philosophical approach to things but there is something to be said about understanding the lifecycle of some podcasts don't have to go on forever. Some Podcasts can be limited series, you know, even David David, what you're just saying about Canada mom, five years is all it was a long time to be doing a podcast. I mean, that's a real achievement. And I don't know where I want to exactly go with it. But it's it's it's definitely there is something to be said about having to go putting all the effort into making your show as good as it can be. For an audience that you cultivate for as long as you as you can. There's there's something there. And

Johnny Podcasts  57:13  
it's okay to take a break to like five years is a long time, David, I would imagine that three months from now she's gonna go. She's gonna look over at that mic shoot.

Matt Cundill  57:21  
Yeah. It's funny. I actually left she left the door open. She said maybe the candidate will come back in some other fashion. Yeah.

All right. I think that's it. I think we covered it. Good job, everybody. We'll go around the table. This time. We'll go counter clockwise. Start with Catherine.

Catherine O'Brien  57:43  
Thanks, everybody for being here. My name is Kevin O'Brien branch out programs. It coming in from Baton Rouge, Louisiana. Thanks for tolerating the fans as I'm trying to stay cool here.

Matt Cundill  57:54  
My next Yeah. Dave in Boston. Yeah. Pod 617 dot com Boston Podcast Network. Thanks, Jay.

Jon Gay  58:01  
John K jack in Detroit podcasts. Surprisingly, located here in Detroit jag in detroit.com.

Johnny Podcasts  58:08  
Um, Johnny, thank you guys so much for watching. If you've made it this far, please hit subscribe, follow. Make sure that you are gonna get the next episode of the show in your feed. And so that we don't break our streak. David hosts a weekly music pause

Matt Cundill  58:23  
podcast. Oh, you said it not me. Thanks so much. Time Machine pod.com.

And I'm Matt Cundill. From the sound off media company sound podcast network and we are located in Winnipeg, Canada.

Sarah Burke (Voiceover)  58:39  
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