A 9th Very Terry Christmas

Tara Sands (Voiceover)  0:02  
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Matt Cundill  0:13  
Good morning and Merry Christmas. This is the ninth very Terry Christmas. Way back in 2016 I thought to myself, wouldn't it be nice if people had a podcast to listen to on Christmas morning? Actually, what I was thinking was, with so few episodes being released on December 25 maybe someone will listen to mine. Anyhow, we have kept going, and I rather enjoy it. Terry DeMonte has a lot to do with why I'm speaking to you right now. I grew up listening to him on radio. We officiated hockey games together, worked together in radio twice, and we have become the best of friends. Sometimes we get to have a Christmas drink together, but either way, we get together and do this show as well. Another thing Terry does at Christmas is he usually gets together with the Prime Minister of Canada, Justin Trudeau, I know a lot of people are wondering where that conversation was this year. And as Terry explains it,

Terry Dimonte  1:06  
can I mention something before somebody says otherwise, I'm not sitting down with the Prime Minister this year for our annual Christmas chat. And a lot of people will say his friend has abandoned him in his time of need. I'm going to England. I'm traveling in December for the first time, and I spent the last two days on the phone with his team, and we were trying to get it set up before I went away. And who knew? The Prime Minister is kind of busy, and we were not able to put it together. And I said to Jess, people are going to think I didn't want to sit down with the Prime Minister and him and I have been sharing texts the last couple of days, saying, It's too bad. Maybe we'll do it in the new year, because it's an annual tradition where I sat down with him and because he's what's the word, he's not popular. He's got a lot of work to do. I don't want anybody to say and I'm going to say this, you know, on social media, I don't want anybody to say his friend doesn't want to talk to him because he's not popular. He may be the prime minister, but he's my friend first. And we love our Christmas chat because it's the only time I get to see him. We sit across from each other and have a beer. And because I'm going to England, we were unable to put the schedule together. I may talk to him in the new year. And

Speaker 1  2:26  
so I'm in Winnipeg. Terry is at his new home in the Laurentians, north of Montreal. Enjoy the conversation. Do you know how many times we've done this? I do not. Do you want to guess? I like the tradition. Is it what eight? It's nine. Is it really? Yeah, oh, that's kind of fun. What's the word I'm looking for? Tradition? Yeah, it's a tradition. It's a marker of our friendship and a marker of the start of your company, eight, the podcasting company, the sound off podcast. Kevin bib, pretty much. Yeah, it's as old as the podcast is. I can't believe you're still doing this. Is anybody watch this? Yes, they do. I think we're just made to feel that way because we don't get the feedback we used to like. When you used to play a Def Leppard record, people would call up and say, This is shit. Play blue rodeo, yeah.

Terry Dimonte  3:20  
Or when I would play Duran Duran and say, This is shit, we'll be right back. I still run into people who remember that and give me a hell for it. What happened? I just, when we were playing Duran Duran, I just, I was working at show him at the time, and show him was a, you know, show him was a rock station. I mean, it was a hard core. Was known as AOR back then, right? It was Black Betty and Boston and Aerosmith and, you know, Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd and Duran, Duran. So, you know, I, I would make the odd, not op color, but I would make the odd comment, which you weren't supposed to do, programmers crazy, but I wasn't gonna lie to anybody. It's just wasn't my cup of tea, and I didn't think it fit. And Duran Duran fans let me know all about it. And I, a woman ran into me, like, a year ago, and said, You know, I loved Duran Duran. She, you know, I was like, I don't know, 30 years ago. She never forgot. But I think it's a nice tip of the cap to how radio is supposed to work and how it used to work. And I've really noticed that since I got back to Quebec. I can't believe, you know, people still recognize me and want to talk about, you know, my tenure there.

Matt Cundill  4:32  
So the Duran. Duran, wouldn't that be like when you first started at shone like 8485 just thought, you know, that's more than 30 years, but I can see a song I do recall your show back in the 80s used to play a lot of stuff that show him didn't play the rest of the day. There was, you know, Human League, yeah, well, there

Terry Dimonte  4:53  
was a time at shome where Shom really struggled in the mid 80s to figure out what. Direction. You know, there was, believe it or not, I mean, for people who don't know, show them, is a rock station in Montreal that had, you know, a similar relationship with the city. That sea Fox did in Vancouver, that city did in Winnipeg, that chum FM and Q 107 did in Toronto. Show was that from Montreal. So when the new wave started, there was long conversations and many arguments about which direction the station should take, and should they move away and head in towards new music. You know, as you point out, Human League, Duran. Duran, you know, I don't remember a lot of the bands because a lot of them are forgotten now, and the hardcore rock won out. Thank goodness. At one point, there was a discussion when consultants took over, back before I got there, as to whether or not the station should change to a disco format, and we narrowly avoided that disaster. You know, I think you're probably right, Matt, he probably was at the point where we were tiptoeing and trying to blend in, like, you say, Human League, and Duran, Duran, and, you know, those British sort of, what was called New Wave at the time. How do we fit that stuff in? How do we make it work without ignoring it?

Just knowing what I know about music from 1985 that was a really, really tough year outside of top 40. So I look at the charts from 85 and it was all solo acts. So Glen fry is on his own. I think members of Fleetwood Mac were doing things on their own. Genesis was doing things on their own. On Yeah, there was, there was a lot of that. I guess there's a version of that going on today. We were talking about it. I forget who I saw. I think it was somebody on television said, I'm dying to hear real instruments in music today, because, you know, everything is so not overwhelmed, but so dominated by the technology that's in the music business now, and the the electronics, the solo artists you know often watching Saturday Night Live. And I'll turn to my wife, Jess and say, Who is this? Who is this person with this skimpily dressed person dancing to a band that isn't there? And I don't know that makes me sound like 100 but you know what I'm talking about, if you watched a great documentary right now on crave called yacht rock, and they explore the the genesis of what's become known as yacht rock, Steely Dan, the Doobie Brothers, the members of Toto. And it all grew out of musicianship. When Steely Dan made a record, they wanted the best musicians they could find. And they were, they were dictators in the studio and wanted perfection. So, you know, I just watched an old, old documentary on Terry Cath from Chicago, which is on Prime if you want to dig around and find it. It was done by his daughter, and they have a lot of great footage of Chicago. You know, the horn section, Carrie Kath was an unbelievable guitar player, you know, great drummer, great bass player, and that era is that's gone now, you know, I don't think anybody knows who's playing guitar for Taylor Swift. And I'm not sure anybody knows who played on the Charlie xx, I xx, X, Charlie, X record, or whatever, whatever her name is. So like I said, it makes me sound a little bit out of touch, but anybody who grew up in the era that we did understands what I'm talking about. I think so you touched on two things. I'm glad you mentioned the Saturday Night Live guests, because I watched the episode with is it McKee? Mickey, yeah. Anyway, the song, The song's playing, and I have to turn to the younger generation in the house and say, does the police know that their music is being replicated right now? Well,

I'm sure sting is happy, because I guess he gets paid a royalty every time somebody loves something, I suppose. But I don't think you know, you can scream Boomer at me. You know, I'm the retired guy who didn't comb his hair this morning. But I think that you can't deny that if you put on a Steely Dan record, or, you know, take your pick, Zeppelin, you know, any of that era where you had to go into the studio with musicians and a producer and get drum sounds and, you know, tune the snare and get what you were. You know, that was part of the stew of making a record. And today it's just the knobs and the samples and auto tune. And I'm trying to think of an example of a band that's out now, and you can help me, Matt, is there a band out now that? Nathaniel rate, lift. Love him. There's a couple of other ones, you know, whose names are escaping me. But by and large, top 40 radio is, you know what I mean, and again, probably the era I was raised in. But there's, there's this kind of a, I don't know, inauthentic plastic. To it?

Speaker 2  10:00  
Yeah, so I'm imagining the person in their room half naked with a computer playing around with the Auto Tune in between matching tracks, whacking off and coming back to finish up the song. I'm glad you also mentioned the yacht rock, because I watched that documentary The other night. It was cool. I had a bunch of things that I learned, but the big one was the fact that people would get out of bed every day and bring their instrument and had to go to work because they were gonna be in a studio and do things with other people. And as I sit almost 10 years of my life doing this, I go, I've just spent 10 years working like this online, and it's worked, especially during the pandemic. But I'm like, What am I missing by not getting together with other people in a room and writing the things that I want to write, doing the podcasts I want to do, doing the shows I want to do the concepts, the ideas. And go one step further, the sopranos documentary, The David Chase one from earlier this year, which I re watched. I never re watch anything, but I watched this again, and I may watch it a third time. Just you know how brilliance happens? Yeah. And what I've come to learn over the years is whether you're talking about the Godfather or the sopranos or Steely Dan or Quincy Jones and Michael Jackson and Eddie Van Halen and Steve Bucha and all of those people. One of the things about all of these projects that achieved a high level of excellence, they're all collaborative. There are no dumb ideas, and there are all people, you know, smashing heads together in a room arguing and fighting. And out of that comes an incredible product. You know, I, I was in the music business for about three years with street heart and queen city kids and a couple of other acts. And one of my tasks was to be with street art when they were making a couple of records. And I was really, you know, as a young guy who didn't know anything about making music, I was really taken with the process in the studio. You know, the first thing that I remember being witnessed to was drum sounds when records are being made like they were in those days. You know, the drums would be set up, and the producer would say, No, move the mic just a little bit to the left where the kick is, and move that other mic under the snare and point it to the right. And then the drummer would sit there for like seven hours going, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, while the producer adjusted the EQ and moved the mics and found the sound he was looking for like when you think of the snare sound that you hear on Def Leppard and the snare sound that you hear on Back in Black, that's Matt Lang. Those are Matt Lang's ears and his collaboration with the band to come up with those sounds. And I think something is lost when you, you know, as you point out, sit in your room with a, you know, a computer and a mixing board and a porn channel and make, make a record. It's just this, just not the same thing to me. My company never took off until I actually went to conferences in the US and began to meet people and network and find ideas. So leave your home, get out, yes, go do things. So I was also learning things about Steely Dan in the yacht rock documentary. I never okay. I understand real and in the years, I probably didn't enjoy peg as much as I should have. The only time I come across Steely Dan songs is between six and eight on a Saturday or Sunday morning on show where too tall. Who was the personality on the air at the time would take a pen and scratch out what I programmed, and he would play, he would play the Steely Dan songs that got a lot of the credit, Black Friday being one, the Agile record. I didn't understand Steely Dan, but I think I understand it now.

Terry Dimonte  14:14  
I bet you do, and I highly encourage anybody who loves music to dive in. I picked up. I didn't know anything about Steely Dan other than reeling in the years. And when I got to city FM in Winnipeg, Steve Young and a guy named Bob McBride, who was our midday guy back in the late 70s, early 80s, at City FM was a Steely Dan fanatic and bad sneakers my old school reeling in the ears peg, don't you know, do it again. Caves of Altamira there, like, if you love beautiful sound and great playing and great melodies, you should dive into the Steely Dan catalog better if you can do it on vinyl or CD. But even if you do it, if you do. On Spotify. Go ahead and dive in. There's an unbelievable catalog of meticulously put together records that are really, you know, they're technical, but they're soulful, and they have such a, you know, a high level of musicianship with great melodies. And it really is remarkable, and I came to understand it a little better as I got older. And what really surprised me about that yacht rock documentary is, you know, they pretty much said that Steely Dan was the genesis of that genre of music because of all the musicians, you know, that played on those records and went on to do other things in that now tagged yacht rock genre. It's they've become one of my favorite bands. We listen to a lot of vinyl in the house, and we have a lot of Steely Dan next to the turntable. I don't know if it's a boring story, but it's a good story if you like music and records. I

Matt Cundill  15:55  
wanted to be conscious about, you know, spoilers and stuff, but I don't give a rip. You should have watched this by now, and I'm not telling tales out of class here either, because it's documented stuff. It's history. If you're you know one of the 11 people that's gonna watch this, because who's the guy with the messy hair? What does he do? I used to be on the radio, and Matt and I are friends, and we've been doing this for nine years. I didn't realize that, but you know, if you're watching this podcast, no doubt you're a fan of music and radio, dive into the Steely Dan catalog. I highly recommend it. My spoiler I wanted to protect was the guys in toto having such a big footprint and being every Wait, I wait, wait a second. These were the nerds who made Pamela Roseanne and Africa, and I thought that was really it, but I didn't know that one of them had a hand in thriller. I didn't know that they had been on everything, like they actually would go to work and be on great records. And my job was to go through the catalog and the record to see who played on it. And who are these guys? Yeah, yeah, they would,

Terry Dimonte  17:01  
you know, I remember being a kid, and in the era of the vinyl, you know, much like your cereal box that you would read at the table in the morning when you bought a record, you'd put it on the drink table, and then you would sit with the album cover and go through the liner notes. I did anyway, and I think a lot of people did, and I would see these names popping up. And that's when I started to think, Geez, I wonder what a producer does, because I've seen, I've seen this name. You know, this Matt Lang, name keeps coming up, or Steve lucather, Jeff paccaro, skunk, Baxter, all of these names kept popping up on these records. And what you learn in the documentary is some of these guys would kiss their wives goodbye in the morning and put their guitar in the case, and then go do thriller, and then go, Do you know another record, and they'd be gone all day, going to different studio sessions, walking in and either playing or singing on a record. And I, like I said, I had no idea that the guys in total and Steely Dan were the genesis of this yacht rock genre, and I will not spoil it for you, but as you're watching the yacht rock documentary and wondering why Steely Dan isn't interviewed, you find out at the end why Steely Dan isn't interviewed. And it's a great surprise. I just want to say that

that's the part I didn't want to touch because I got when I was going through the whole thing, I was like, is Walter and Donald? Are they dead? Yeah, Walter's gone, but Donald's still there, and he wasn't in the documentary. And I, I thought, this is very odd. And at the end, they explained what happens. I love the fact that you've set up for Christmas, by the way, in your home, even though you're going to be disappearing for two weeks, but you'll be all set when you come back for Christmas because you're on your way to England. We are. We're getting this done just before we board the plane for England. This weekend, we're going to London, Manchester and Liverpool, and you won't be surprised to hear this. The trip is built around Paul McCartney and Manchester United. So I'm looking forward to it because I've been to Italy so many times. That's my dad's side, and my mom's side is British, and I haven't paid much attention to it, and I want to explore more of the country. And we had such great Christmas traditions in our house, you know, complete with the paper hats and the crackers. And, you know, Christmas was a big, big deal in our house. So when I was a kid, I always thought that that came from the Italian side of the family, wrong? It's the Brits who go crazy for Christmas, like insanely crazy for Christmas. And I can't wait, you know, we chose this time of the year to go, because we're going to get to see these massive decorations and Christmas markets and get a little taste of how England celebrates Christmas, which is apparently really, really special. What's with the shit desserts? Hey, there's nothing wrong with sticky toffee pudding. I. Yeah, cake with fruit in it. Mince pie, Christmas pudding. Yo log. You like sticky toffee pudding? You live in Winnipeg. Go to Costco and get the sticky toffee pudding. Oh boy. It's one of the only things we miss about British Columbia. Speaking of what you got out of there, why'd you move back East? We didn't like BC at all. BC is it's got a little bit of devil in her. She lures you in with the mountains and the beauty, you know, I tell this is telling somebody last night, if you stand by the Pan Pacific motel downtown Vancouver and you gaze at the mountains on the North Shore, while the sea planes are taking off and the cruise ships are coming in that it's a sunny day. You know, you do that? Should we live here that you see online, and you'll be lured in by its beauty. Stunning. British Columbia is stunningly beautiful, but we found just our personal experience very, very boring, very beige. The people were unkind. I had one friend. I had two friends there, one on the island that I I've known for 35 years. We met in Winnipeg, and another friend that lives in Burnaby, my buddy Quentin, we've been friends since we were 15, and we lived there for over three years, talked to one of our neighbors and just worked two different jobs and made one friend. We didn't find that the food was great, but again, I'm not a fan of Indian food, and there's only so much Asian food you can eat. What I came to realize Matt is I'm a Quebecer. That's what it is. It's I'm English, but I'm a quebecer born and raised in Quebec. And everything about Quebec, the yelling, the screaming, the arguing about politics, the loud talking with the hands, all of that stuff that I used to complain about, I came to realize it's what makes I think. And I'm biased, because I'm born and raised here Quebec, I think is the most interesting place to live in the country, and it's the most soulful place to live in the country. I missed the Greeks, the Italians, the Jews. I missed a good Deli. I missed somebody screaming at me in French. Now that I'm not in the media, I don't have to wallow in that every day. I don't have to swim in the political bullshit that goes on here. But in terms of change of seasons, a good loaf of bread, a great restaurant, a fabulous Jewish deli, you know, really good Greek food, those kinds of things. And it's understandable, just from Geography, why BC is influenced mostly from, I think, the Asian side of the world. And, you know, Montreal is influenced from the European side of the world. And I think that had a little bit to do with it. It just it wasn't for us. And it took us a couple years, both Jess and I kept our mouth shut about it to each other. And you know, one day I came home, and I don't remember what the incident was, but I said, you know this goddamn place? And she said, Yeah, have you been thinking this, too? And I said, Yeah, we started to confess to each other that we tried it all. We went to White Rock, we went to Whistler, we went to Seattle to see the baseball team. You know, we tried to get it to Seattle, but we did get to Seattle to see a bunch of concerts. Climate pledge arena is the nicest Arena in North America, you know, we went to see Seattle baseball team, whose name is mariners. Thank you. We went to the mariners a bunch of times. We did all the things that West Coast people do, and we realized we weren't West Coast people. And when we moved there, we lived in a townhouse in the Fraser Valley, and this should have been our first clue. I tell this story to everybody who asked the day we were moving in, I can't remember what it was. Jess dad was there and was helping us assemble something, and we were missing, I think it was a Phillips screwdriver. You know, how much I know about tools. And went next door, and I said, Surely to God, the neighbor, you know, must have a screwdriver. Went next door, rang the bell. And gentleman opened the door, and I said, hi. I said, I My name is Terry, my wife, Jess and I just moved in next door to unit three. We just moved here from Quebec. He said, Hello. And I said, I'm wondering if I could trouble you. We're trying to assemble something, and we seem to be missing a Phillips screwdriver. Who was wondering if we could borrow one from you. And he leaned back, and there was that kind of silence. And then he leaned forward, and he said, I can lend it to you, but I need it back by two o'clock. And I was momentarily stunned, and I said, Yeah, sure. I you know, we'll have it back to you in 20 minutes. And he closed the door and he went to. Get the screwdriver, and he opened the door, and he handed it to me, and I said to Jess, if you knock on someone's door, and you know this, because you're from here, you knock on someone's door in Quebec and say, Hi, my name is so. And so we just moved in, and we're, you know, can I borrow a screwdriver eight times or nine times out of 10? The neighbor would say, Hang on, I'll get my tools. They're going to come over and help you. What are you guys doing? Everybody who lives here understands that story. I don't know if anybody who lives in BC doesn't get that story. And you see it online, people complain about the coldness of BC on online all the time, and Jess and I don't know what it was or is, you know, it's like, you're lured in by the mountains, and then you get there, and people are like, Yeah, we have friends already. No, yeah. You're also subject to about 250 days of gray, yeah? And, you know, even, even that didn't bother us, after a while, we kind of get used to that. You know, I was telling you before we started to record this, there's a foot of snow here in the oranges, and that was the other thing. I know this sounds really trite, because you hear it all the time, but we missed the seasons again. You know that we moved back to Quebec in July, and we were up in the Laurentians for the end of summer, the turn of of the seasons in the fall, and then the the winter dump of snow that we got yesterday. And there's something about that that wraps its arms around me, and I tell people, you know, I think it's about some people, I guess, are more adept at moving around and just adapting to places. Maybe I don't have that in me. But one day, I was standing at the corner of Fraser highway and 200 in the Fraser Valley. If you're from the valley, you know where I'm talking about. And I was standing waiting for the light to turn, and I was looking around, and I thought to myself, none of this means anything to me. I don't have any connection here at all. I know where the Fraser highway is. I've been on it 1000 times. I've been going out to British Columbia for 20 plus years. Loved it out there, but always looked at it through holiday eyes. And if I stand at the corner of Atwater and Sherbrooke, I have a connection to that place. And my brain is triggered with all kinds of memories, from the Montreal forum to my first apartment at Alexis neon, to your mother's place to, you know, green Avenue, like there's a, you know, I'm connected. I'm connected to that place. And I realized I was adrift in BC, I had no connections, no connection to the place at all. Yeah. Well, you mentioned that water in St Catherine. I'm waiting for you to say that you had a connection with Big Mac, large fries and a coke to the McDonald's that was there for like, the longest time. Now, I worked there during the Olympics in 76

Matt Cundill  27:54  
Yeah. I mean, it's funny, because we travel so easily when there's a paycheck and a radio station at the other end, which is the great love, and now that it's not there, and hasn't been there for me for over 10 years. You know, my connection to to where I live here in Winnipeg has changed radically in that really, it's just kids, right? Kids and people, and it's where my house is, it's where I'm living for now, but in terms of friends and people, for me, I have more of a connection with the people, either online that I go to visit every year, and especially over in Spain, just you know, people that you meet, that you know we follow, and we'll get together with once a year. And I think this really speaks about Canada. And I by Canada I mean English Canada. That something about Canadians that it's not what it's changed. It feels very Suburban. A lot of people in cars, the culture especially trying to launch podcasts and get like a national podcast across the country, I would find with the personalities, that it would very much be regional downloads. And there's very, very few things in Canada that connect us culturally, with our entertainment, with our food, even

Terry Dimonte  29:07  
it's such a big country, I think geography is part of the problem. We drove back to Quebec, and we loved to drive, and just wanted to do the drive. And you really notice it. When you drive across the country, it's, you know, it changes, you know, we we left Langley, we went Langley, Calgary, Calgary, Regina, Regina, Winnipeg, Winnipeg, Thunder Bay, Thunder Bay. Sioux, sainte, Marie, and, you know, etc, etc. And you you realize, you know, you feel the change in every town that you go to, in every section of the country that you arrive. It's almost like in my eyes, because of the time I spent in and across the country, with the exception of the Maritimes. You know the Maritimes better than I do, but it's almost like BC is its own little country. The prairies are their own little country. Northern Ontario is way. Different than Southern Ontario. Those are almost like two little countries in themselves. Quebec, I don't have to tell you about Quebec. They want to be their own country. And then the Maritimes is, you know, it's, it's a whole other region again. And what's fascinating for me when I look back is I think this maybe had something to do with age and the excitement of the era that I was in when I moved to Manitoba, when I moved to Churchill and then spent time in Winnipeg. You know this, I experienced so much joy and had so much fun in Manitoba that it became one of my favorite places. Still is to this day. You know when I come to visit you, I know Winnipeg has changed so much since I was there, but it was a different era. Maybe, I don't know, but people were really kind, and there was a real community in Winnipeg when I started at City FM, and even when I moved out to Calgary from Montreal in 2008 I enjoyed my time there before I came back to Montreal again. So I don't know. I think radio helps inject you into the community quickly, or at least it used to. I don't think it does anymore, and that that helps you connect to the community. And I think you experienced that, you know, when you went out to Winnipeg to work in radio, that's what injects you into the community, and then you become part of it. But I agree with you, things have changed. Maybe it's COVID, you know, maybe people just scattered during COVID and haven't come back to the community. Thing, like, one of my favorite things when I lived in Winnipeg was, I remember the first time somebody said to me, we're gonna go to a social on Saturday. What? What's a social what is that? That's the thing where you raise money for a wedding and everybody gets drunk and you go to the local park chalet. It's like, What kind of nonsense is this? And had some of the most fun in my life at socials over the years. Do they still do them? Yeah, absolutely. That's a unique Winnipeg thing. I mean, I'm, maybe I'm speaking out of turn, but I never heard that in Alberta. I don't know if they do it in Saskatchewan, and they certainly don't do it in Quebec or in Ontario. As far as I know. That speaks, I guess, to the size of the country and how different the regions are. And I agree with you. We've, we've all kind of moved into bubbles. I think

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Matt Cundill  32:41  
apps. Talk about radio again for a second, because you got on your show, on your podcast, and I think some people heard on your show, and you were talking about, you know, you know, embracing the Jewish community with all you know, there's a lot of shit going on in Montreal, and everybody can read that. You can read the New York Post, if you'd like. I'll put the article in the article in the show notes for anybody who wants to spend their Christmas reading that. But you spoke up, and I think that is sorely missing from media today. I haven't heard anybody speak up anywhere about anything, giving opinions. It's almost as if we spent the last 10 years not sharing perspective. It's a vacuum. It has gone from media, and media is suffering and disappearing, and I think this is why

Terry Dimonte  33:26  
I'm beating a dead horse, and I'm not, I'm not telling anybody anything that you know people don't know, but the media business has been hollowed out. All you have to do is go into a radio station anywhere in the big cities. You know, you've seen it this week in Toronto, CP 24 which I thought was a viable and fairly big newsroom, they shut it down and moved what was left of it to Scarborough, so out of the downtown core. In the old days, if you were on Queen Street and they're in the garage or behind the building, there's a bunch of news trucks and lots of reporters, something happens downtown? Boom, people are out. Well, now you're out in Scarborough, and something happens, I don't know. I guess you know, you drive up the 401, and try and get there when you can, and that's for whatever number of bodies are left, there are a lot of buildings in the the media market that are just empty, like literally been hollowed out. And it's, it's a metaphor, I think, for what's happened to the radio and television business in the country. It's hollowed out so there's no big voices anymore. There's no locally respected, you know, in in Winnipeg, it was Peter Warren in British Columbia, it was, I've forgotten his name now, Bill good. Bill good was one, and there was the Scottish guy, the, you know, who had the television show, whose name is escaping me, and I'll, I'll remember later. Uh, big, big voices that had impact and respect and were people of substance, you know, people who really knew shit, people who spent the weekend reading nine newspapers, and people who were intellectual and politically aware and weren't afraid to say, this is anti semitic nonsense, and it has to stop. And why aren't people calling it out? There's no platform for that anymore. Anybody who listens to the radio, no matter where you are in the country, it's Hey everybody, here's Taylor Swift on the boom, the beat, the goat, the cow, the pig, the whatever, you know, whatever the new the new trend is, there isn't, you know, we were talking earlier about collaboration and people getting together in a room. To refer back to the beginning of our conversation, when shown was trying to decide what direction to go to there was like seven or eight people in a room, all contributing ideas, trying to collaborate and make the best decision. And they were all people of musical background, or, you know, some kind of radio background substance, people who knew what they were doing. And I don't mean any disrespect to people who are still in the radio business, but that's in radio and television. That's not their purview anymore. They they're not interested in that. They're big companies. You know, they're the same people, same kinds of companies that own, the grocery stores, the telecommunications companies and the airlines. They want to make sure that they get every dollar out of the monthly performance so their stock price stays up and they run them, you know, according to the MBA plan book. So there's no room there for responsibility to journalism or contributing to the community or doing a radio fund for the hospital. None of that matters to people who are corporate soldiers their job, and I understand it, because I own stocks, I get it. But that disease infected the media business a long, long time ago, just this week, Bell Media in Montreal pushed all of their products together under one roof. So they took the French and English newsroom and pushed it under one roof with one news director, I suspect they're going to be more people losing their jobs, and made the French and English radio stations that are owned by Bell Media pushed all under one umbrella. And that only means one thing if we're all under one umbrella now, we don't need you over there, and we don't need you over there, so to go all the way back, there's nobody of substance to speak out and say this is wrong. We have to stop and make some kind of impact that would make people listen. And I couldn't do it anymore. I a good, good friend of mine I've known for a very, very long time. I met him, met him and his family when he was 16, and we've been friends ever since. And John said to me, right after October 7, why aren't you speaking out? Why aren't you using your platform to say something? And I said, John, I'm not going to get into a fight with trolls on Twitter and these useful idiots that are wrapping the Palestinian flag around them and spewing hate. What difference am I going to make by telling people on Twitter they've got it wrong? Doesn't do any good. And a year later, much to my embarrassment and shame, I apologized to him, I sent him a note, and I said, you know, you were right and I was wrong. I should have spoke out a long time ago. I have a small platform. We have a little local podcast. I don't know if I'm going to move any minds. I have, you know, a few people following me on Facebook, but I said what I had been feeling for too many months. I was sickened and ashamed and saddened to watch what was happening to the Jewish community in the country, and I couldn't believe Canada was standing by and letting it happen. Yeah, yeah. Everybody has a right to say what they want. I get that. But long ago, months ago, it crossed over into blatant, ugly hate. And if you know your history, it smells of 1938, and I said to Ted, you know, my partner on our local podcast, and said, I want to address this today. I want to, you know, I posted something on Facebook and applauded a company called Second Cup, who moved swiftly after they identified a franchisee who was spewing hate in Toronto, they took the franchise away from that person, and I applauded them on Facebook, and we heard from them a lot of people in the Jewish community. Who said, Thank you. We're quietly scared. We're afraid to say something we don't like what's happening. And Chillingly, a friend of Ted's who's in the Jewish community, said his wife said to her, it's times like these when we start to think about who would hide us if it came to that? What kind of conversation is that to be happening at a kitchen table in Canada in 2024 Wake the fuck up. You know you can talk about nobody wants to see anybody die. Nobody wants to see people getting hurt. Nobody likes war. But when you stand in front of somebody and spit on them, or, you know, accuse them of being collaborators just because of the religion they practice, we're in a world of trouble. People everywhere, I think have to start speaking out. And I'd like to think that, you know, I've seen some evidence of it online, that it looks like the Jewish community is starting to organize and push back. And we just wanted to stand next to them and say, you know, you know this, Matt Montreal would be nothing without the Jewish community nothing. Well, like the Irish and the Italians, you know, the Italians built every church. You know, the Irish helped run this city in the early 1900s you know, I don't have to tell you about French Canadians and the Jews. The Jews helped build the city and make the city what it is. And it wouldn't be Montreal without the Jewish community. And there's a huge Jewish community here, you know, thriving, and a lot of them are scared, and rightfully so, and it's shameful. It's absolutely shameful. I'm sorry I got off on a bit of a rant there, but it's a topic that means a lot to me. But

Matt Cundill  41:51  
here you are speaking up on your podcast, and there are media outlets and they are silent.

Terry Dimonte  41:59  
Yeah, I don't know what it is, it's, you know, silence from media people, from businesses and from politicians. I mean, everybody blames the Prime Minister but the Prime Minister. It's not his purview to make sure that people don't close down intersections in the middle of our major cities. That's up to the mayors. And the mayor of Toronto and the mayor of Montreal have been absolutely disgustingly quiet and have really abdicated their responsibility to keep people safe in their cities. Never mind your fucking bike paths. How's about making sure the roads are plowed, and citizens don't feel afraid to identify as a Jewish person walking in front of the street. Are not afraid to go to synagogue. Do the politicians not have internet? Are they not seeing what's going on? They're in past the buck territory. I also would have accepted cowardly. Cowardly is good too. It's really shameful. And you know, to your point, and the genie is out of the bottle. Houses, horses are out of the barn, blah, blah, blah. A lot of it has to do with the completely diminished media presence in the country. I stopped watching news a long time ago, because even if you watch the CBS Evening News, there's eight minutes of stories at the front of the newscast, maybe nine, about 823, big stories, and then 30 seconds, and then commercials, and then a 32nd news hitting commercials and and those 32nd pieces they're running or from the internet. And if you watch local news, they, too have come to the format where six or seven minutes up front is a story from their two local reporters that they have left nurses all filler from either online or here's a cute story from Chilliwack where a horse got out on the road. I stopped watching it a long time ago, and you and I have this conversation every year. No one gives a shit what I think. But I never leave the house without a podcast. Never my phone is always loaded with podcasts. I have favorites. And now that I live in the Laurentians, when I'm going to Montreal, I'm usually an hour drive and there is nothing interesting on the radio, and there are some things on the radio that are outright embarrassing. There's a bunch of things on the radio I quickly dial around and go, Oh, God, Jesus, God. And I guess you can listen to the radio for music, or, you know, if you're a contest person, but I can listen to my own music that I pick that's on my phone, and I'm more stimulated by podcasts of very, very high quality with high quality people doing them at a high level. And you can't say that about most radio in the country anymore, because as. A radio person said to me, we're doing, you know, I said, How are you doing? We're doing the best with what we have. In other words, I'm holding it together with gaffer tape and glue. That's not a compelling reason to tune into radio.

Matt Cundill  45:14  
And I see on the number of people who have been let go in the last six weeks, whether it's Bell, lots at Rogers cumulus in the States, I heart and I'm like, what exactly are you going to be putting out there? Because you're letting people go, and it's a people business. So I don't really understand that

Terry Dimonte  45:35  
there's a radio station in Vancouver called Sonic, and there was a big brouhaha. But Oh, Sonic is going to do this and that. And then they slowly started to let people go. And just before we left, I said to Jess, look at this. They've got two people left. They're going to have a guy work from six to noon, and the other guy worked from noon to six, and the rest is going to be tapes, nonsense. There's only two people left in that building. Now, there's nobody in that building. They let the six to noon guy go, and I think maybe the noon to six guys still there. I don't know what he's doing, but that's not what you call connecting to the community. And it boggles my mind, because radio has always been about communication and human connection. It's not about Aerosmith and Taylor Swift. It never has been. It's always been about the connection to the community and the connection you make with people. It's people talking to people. That was the magic of radio, that you could reach through the speaker, through the speaker and make a connection with somebody at their kitchen table, and they became your friend for life. You know, in the era that we were lucky enough to work in, I still get people who tell me, I remember my father drove us to LCC and we left the house at 730 and you did this thing at 747 and we all laugh, and you know you called me on my birthday, and you know you become part of the community that's all gone, that's all been consulted out or nobody cares about birthdays, and do a question poll and make sure you're on Facebook. You know, Facebook's a great promo tool. It has nothing to do with what Marconi had in mind, and that was lost a long time ago. So that's my personal opinion. I'm sure there's people that still listen to the radio and love the radio, but I can tell you, it's a shrinking pool of people.

Matt Cundill  47:34  
Now, if you ask people why they want to listen to the radio, 2018 the number one reason, started to become personalities, starting in 2018 because it used to be about music. But then, you know, in came Spotify, and so people could get their music elsewhere. But when the listeners saying, We want personalities, and then the radio stations are giving you less of that,

Terry Dimonte  47:53  
then radio didn't react to that, because they reacted to it financially. You know, a lot of the big names across the country were moved aside because of financial considerations. You know, the conversations that I know that were had in head offices, because I know people that worked in head offices, were, why are you paying this guy? This guy's making a quarter million dollars. Can't you find someone to do it for 80 we can? You absolutely can. But to me, it's the equivalent of hiring a professional plumber who's been plumbing for 20 years, or calling your cousin al to come and help you. You know what I mean? You you kind of get what you pay for. And there was an era in radio where, and I was part of it, where we were paid ridiculous amounts of money, not the millions of dollars that people think, but I made a six figure income for many years, like a mid six figure income that was considered absurd by people who were in the financial departments. I know that people at Bell Media looked at my contract when it was coming to an end and said, What are you doing? Why would you be paying this guy this much money? And nobody said, Well, you know, he's been in the community a long time and draws a lot of listeners. They didn't think that that mattered. It's like, well, you just get somebody to turn on the microphone and we'll get listeners. We don't have to pay anybody that. But as we now know, everything is about content and compelling content. You watch YouTube because you're looking for content. You get your music from Spotify. It's your content. You watch Netflix for the content. Explain to me what the content is on the radio. Explain. Explain it to me. I don't know what it is. You'll love this.

Matt Cundill  49:49  
The ratings came out, you know, across the country yesterday for diary markets. And yeah, they're still compiling ratings with diaries in some markets, especially Ottawa, Winnipeg. So I opened up just for fun, 18 to 34 year old adults, and I compared yesterday's release with 2013 there were 300,000 This is the cume, 300,018 to 34 who listened to a radio station back in 2013 today, there are 100,000 so that's, that's two thirds gone. 200,000 people just gone. It's all that tuning is gone. And I'm thinking to myself, everything that I see in front of me, and I got so sick of you know, you're being really negative. But now I'm going to be really negative for radio. It's essentially over, and I'll just present some things. Stephen King closed his radio stations in Bangor Maine. He's got three of them. He's got some FMS. He's not selling them. He's closing the station. And he was a radio junkie. Yes, Bell Media, am radio station in Winnipeg at 1290 they closed it, they didn't sell it. And I have some money, at least, enough that I wanted to, at this point in life, buy a radio station. Terry, we could have gone splits on a radio station by now, and you don't see us running to go buy anything, because you buy it. The transmitter is expensive, and pretty much everything we would want to do we can do on the internet. I'm not sure how to monetize that nearly as well. Tougher to build a community online, but to my point, we would never make our money back. And so I'm here to say that unless somebody finds another way to use these transmitters,

Terry Dimonte  51:34  
it feels over. I don't disagree with that, and we laugh because, you know, my wife, Jess, was in radio for a long time, and I would say to her, when ratings came out, look at this. They're crowing about being number one. And she said, Yeah, but what they're not telling people is the pool has shrunk. They're number one with a much smaller group of people, and no one's no one's telling anybody that we're there. Yay. We're number one with this small group of people, you know, to your point, you know we're number 118, 34, but not with 300,000 of them, with 100,000 of them. And you and I both know people in their 20s. I don't know anybody who listens to radio. I don't know anybody who's talked to me about something exciting that's happened on radio, and I used to believe, if you like, a local newspaper, ran a local radio station and did it right with the local community, and tried to build a community in places like Here in Montreal, you know, like, there's a radio station in Hudson that's owned by Evanoff that is so poorly run and programmed out of Toronto, and the people that are running it don't know what they're doing and make no connection to the community. I think to myself, you know, if me in you and Rob braid and a couple people got involved. We could, we could make that go, but I think that's retired radio guy dreaming. I don't know if we could do that anymore. I don't know if you could, you know, bang on the local doors and get local advertisers to support you. And, you know, have local gatherings and fundraisers like we used to do. I guess that era is over, and I suppose the big companies are doing what they can to survive, and you and I are both in the same page on this. I want to know where the CRTC is, because radio was a public trust, and the airwaves are supposed to be owned by the public, and the companies were granted licenses to manage those airways for the public, and you had to follow rules. You couldn't just turn the fucking lights out. You couldn't just say, well, we've got one guy working noon to six, and there's nobody else in the building. But now you can the CRTC. You don't even have to phone them and say, Hey, we're closing 1290 we're just turning the lights out. They're also partially to blame. But to your point, what do you do with them? I remember when I worked at City FM, we bragged about 360,000 watts of power across Manitoba. Doesn't mean anything today. Oh, okay, so you can listen to us in in Dauphin. Okay, I'm online. I

will give you a little radio good news story, 92 cdfm, big, chunky ratings number, and they are broadcasting live from a mall raising money for a hospital today. So not all is lost. I mean, there's too many radio stations all doing the same thing. Who does their morning show, Joe Aiello, Phil Aubrey and shelinda Kirby, who does their afternoon show? I don't know who does their evening show? Howard man shine. There's an example of why you keep quality people. Round and Howard man shine is a legend in that town. Good on them for making sure Howard is still part of the mix. There would be a big problem if he was not. And that station's owned by Rogers, who did a bunch of cuts. Yeah, maybe they recognize city has the heritage. You know, I was lucky enough to be at City when it started. I was there a couple of months after it changed to rock and roll. It went from classical to rock and roll, and got in trouble with the CRTC because they didn't ask permission to change to rock and roll. And then had to spend a few months bowing down to the commission, while the Commission decided whether or not they were going to allow it to be a rock station. And boy, that station was legendary from, you know, 1978 when they went to rock I got there in June of 78 I was gone in 80 whatever, but through the 70s and 80s. I mean, I know there was the fight with power, but city FM, I think, is to Winnipeg. What show them is to Montreal. No man, yeah, that's right, it is. Now, when you say rock station, that's the one people think of. Want to talk about your podcast again a little bit, just because you mentioned it's a local podcast. But I'm here to tell you that's the future, because all the local needs to be replaced, right? Because it's disappeared. So Adam curry, you know, who's one of the founders of podcasting, and one of the original MTV VJs, pointed out that the opportunity for podcast is local because all the media has been sucked up. I was so thrilled when you sent me that article. And Matt sent me the article about Adam curry with a note that said, you're ahead of the curve.

And I was so excited about it, because my theory was, you know, I'm not an educated man, but one thing I know, and one thing I spent my life dedicated to, was communication and broadcasting. And my theory was, and it's not just my theory. When Ted and I did a morning show, Ted bird and I did a morning show for many years, and people knew us in the community as Terry and Ted. You know, Terry and Ted in the morning had a, you know, a certain lifespan. And it's, I hate to use the word brand, but it is, you know, people, a lot of people of a certain age in Montreal, would, you know, even people that didn't listen to us went, Yeah, I know who those guys are. And when we started to do the podcast, I said to Ted, I don't know how to break through. You know, the land of podcasts of Wild Wild West, they're just like hundreds of 1000s of them. Was kind of like trying to figure out my hair, you know, it was just no way to to navigate it. And as radio diminished in its attachment to the community, I thought we should just make this a local podcast. There are Montrealers who are looking for that because the style of radio that Ted and I did that doesn't exist anymore. You know, the sort of long form, a lot of fun, never mind your poll question of the day and all of that. You know, what we did doesn't exist anymore. And I said, you know, maybe we'll be filling a hole, and maybe we can support local events, support local communities. Say hi to people, whatever, and we'll focus it locally and see if it works. And when I moved back to Montreal in July, we went to a weekly format. So we record every Tuesday. The episode comes out every Wednesday morning at seven, and we set up an email account. And you know, first part of the podcast now, we answer email and talk about things in the community. And I was stunned. I don't know why I was stunned, but a couple of weeks ago, I had mentioned offhand, I said hi to somebody that I ran into at a restaurant. One of my favorite restaurants in town is a place called the monkland Tavern, and I happen to mention on the podcast that we're at the monkland Tavern, and Barb and Josh, who run the tavern and own the tavern, were very kind to us. We had a nice time. And blah, blah, blah. And the episode came out on Wednesday morning, and Wednesday night, I got this text from Barb saying, I'm so excited I listened to the podcast. And thank you so much for what you said. And you know this Matt, that's exactly what happens on the radio, right? You make a connection with somebody, and even though it's not on the radio, she was listening while she was cooking, and she was like, Hey, he's talking about us. That's the way radio works. That's the way radio worked for years. You know, the famous peeve of mine, and topic with program directors, nobody cares about birthdays. You know, I always insisted that if you make a connection with one person and 40 people say, I heard, I heard your name on the radio, that's the way mass communication works. Anyway. That's what we did, and I'm telling that story about Barb and. Gosh, because I'm starting to notice that. I'm starting to notice people saying to us, like, out in the community, I'm used to getting recognized. This sounds like I'm an asshole, but you've been with me, you know, because I've been in the community so long, you know, people sometimes recognize me, and I'm used to getting recognized once in a while by people who say, hey, Terry. Used to listen to you all the time and wave, and I've been taken aback in the last month by people who have now said, Hey, Terry, love the podcast. Okay, maybe this is maybe I'm not wrong, and believe me, we're not setting the world on fire. We're not chasing Joe Rogan. But what we are doing, I think, and it bears out in the numbers of downloads, that slowly, slowly, slowly, we're getting emails from people saying, I look forward to Wednesday morning, because after the kids go to school, I pour my coffee and I put your podcast on, reminds me of when you guys were on the radio, or people will say I'm doing Christmas baking and I'm listening to your Christmas episode from two years ago. So people seem to be and it's all anecdotal. Got no consultants or research people, but it seems to me that people are using it like they used to use radio, and they're interested in what we have to say about the community that we're sharing. So that's why I thought a local focus was a better idea. I can't compete with Peter Mansbridge. I can't even compete with Mo and Wendy Mesley. I don't we don't have that national profile, but we do have a profile in Montreal. And you know this, it's the same in Winnipeg. Montrealers are really proud of Montreal and really love their city, and they want to hear their they want to hear their city reflected back to them. That's the way I used to do the morning show. I used to say to people, you know, reflect the city back to the people who are listening. And it worked. And when I was doing morning radio, my growth was tiny. You know, go from like a one share to a 1.4

Matt Cundill  1:02:16  
to a 1.7 to a 1.8 and a member back then saying, you know, God damn it, and Robbie saying to me, no, you don't want this, because with this comes this. If you've downloaded this podcast, I'm doing an up and down motion with my hair. So in other words, if you shoot up too fast, you come down really quickly. But if your graph of listenership looks like a set of stairs. You're on the right path. So I'm very, very curious to see how your show does now that you're back and doing this on a weekly basis, because that means consistency. People know to get it at Wednesday, 7am when you release it. Personally, I would make sure that thing's out at midnight, so that everybody wakes up with it on the phone and downloaded. I'll send you my bill for my consulting on that. But I firmly believe that consistency is 20% of the marks. I bet you in your case, it's probably another 30% on top of what you were doing before, where you were just doing 10 episode seasons. The consistency is huge, and I've been looking for years. So what are the similarities between, you know, radio and podcasting, and I think you kind of hit on something here where it's the same show you've always done, only it's on demand. Yeah,

Terry Dimonte  1:03:30  
that's kind of it. And it's like I said, I recognize, again, it's anecdotal, but I recognize the signs. The first time the guy said to me, you know, he was, he was in a plumbing truck, and he was coming out of the Tim Hortons, and he didn't, he didn't have time to stop, because it was his work day. And, you know, he just, he looked up and he said, Hey, Terry, love the podcast. And he kept moving. And I thought to myself, this is the first time that's happened. And this is what I noticed when I was doing radio, you know, this was long before the internet, and we would go to every event, you know, I said to Patty, who I was working with at the time, we're going to go to everything. We went to high schools, and we went to McGill, and we went to charities, and we did everything for free, and we shook hands, and we wrote names down and said hello, and slowly, slowly, started to build an audience, and you start to notice things. One of the things I was saying to Ted the other day, I was lucky enough to do two television shows in my lifetime. One was switchback, which was a kids show in the early 1980s for CBC, and the other one was a show called fighting back, which was for local CTV station, which was a Consumer Affairs kind of show. And somebody said to me, you only do television with the word back in it. And when I did switch back, I became accustomed because, you know this, television is really powerful. You can go on TV twice, and people recognize you. And when I was doing switch back, I got used to getting recognized by little kids. So I'd be in a mall and I get recognized by little kids. And then when I started doing fighting back, I would be in a grocery store and I would I would start to get approached by people, over 50 typical people who watch news kind of television shows. So those are small signs of how your audience is shifting, and they're small signs of whether or not you're building an audience. And I started to recognize that in radio, the phone started to ring. Can you come and host this? We have a charity event. Will you help us without it up? And those things are happening on a very, very, very small scale. With the podcast, people asked us to we went to a toy drive event this past week. We were asked to go Ted. Went to a Remembrance Day ceremony. We were asked to host a fundraiser that was a comedy show, you know. And there, there are small things that we're doing out in the community where people are saying everything from I love your podcast to what are you guys doing now to what time does your podcast Come on? But we're starting to notice that the little thing that we did for fun is starting to get noticed by people in the community, and that that's very, very similar to what happened when I was hosting radio shows. So you could be right. It's radio on demand. People who listen to Terry and Ted at mix 96 in the 90s will find a similarity to listening to the standing by podcast with Terry and Ted. We got a note from somebody in our email box last week, from somebody said, I don't live in Montreal. I live I forget where I think he said Calgary, and I needed a Montreal fix. And there, you guys were terrific. Keep it up. Here's hoping the you know, I and I'm retired, not doing it for the money, not doing it for the you know, attention. We do it because we love sitting in front of microphones and telling stories, and we hope people come along for the ride, and as long as people come along for the ride, we'll continue to do it. Speaking

Matt Cundill  1:07:12  
of rides, you've got one, you're going to England, and you're going to go to Manchester, I think you will be seeing a Manchester United game and riding in on a sea of alcohol, hopefully they come out with a win, a lot of cranky pants people, if they don't win, and I'm looking at the table right now, and they need three points.

Terry Dimonte  1:07:28  
They do. The game we're seeing is against Bournemouth, so we're hoping for the three points. Jess is quite pleased with the managerial change and quite annoyed with the performance of the team in the last 10 years, and doesn't like being in the middle of the table, but likes to think that there's a turn around. But I've come to understand since I married Jess and learned more about football, that Manchester United is the way people feel about menu, or it's the way people feel about the Montreal Canadiens heritage there and a history there, and having a seat at Old Trafford is going to be very, very special. All

Matt Cundill  1:08:06  
right. Well, we'll follow you on Instagram and other social media platforms to see those adventures in others. Terry, Merry Christmas to you and Jess and whatever cats names I don't understand around you. Casey

Terry Dimonte  1:08:19  
and Finnegan, there we go. A tribute to Mr. Dress up. Jess loves Merry Christmas to you, buddy. I love you dearly, and I really love this thing that we do, and I love the fact that it comes out Christmas Day. I thought that was was crazy of you, because nobody would be listening, but apparently, a few people do check it out. So Merry Christmas. There's

Matt Cundill  1:08:42  
a lot of people who want to listen to a podcast on Christmas morning. That's nice. Just a reminder, too. If you do something consistently over time, people will know it's there. That's why a lot of people listen to

Terry Dimonte  1:08:52  
this again. You can send, send me your consulting bill, because it seems to be working out for the standing by podcast every Wednesday morning at seven o'clock everywhere you get a podcast.

Matt Cundill  1:09:03  
I just want the Contra. Give me the Contra. Merry Christmas. Tear right back at you and

Terry Dimonte  1:09:09  
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